Montana HB 418

[kansasrunner123]

You know, I can humbly admit that you people were making me mad and starting to get to me. But when I really think about it, it doesn't bother me that a bunch of country hick idiots disagree with me. Of course they think its ok to eat horse, thats probably all they can afford! After looking over some of your grammer and views, I can tell that you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, especially you 4J. I know that you will come back with some smart remark that is probably filled with spelling errors. But from now on, I don't CARE. Most of America agrees with ME and not YOU. You are in the horse industry and so am I. But YOU seem to think that horse slaughter is a necessary factor. Well, its not. If this overpopulation were so important, there would be more about it on the news. So disagree with me. It's not going to bother me. Just because a small website full of rednecks and country hicks thinks it is ok to slaughter horses, doesn't mean that the whole Country thinks that. America doesn't consume horses. Don't tell me they do. A handfull of idiots that eat it doesn't count. We can disagree as much as possible. I can call you an idiot and you can tell me no, I'M the idoit. Ok. That doesn't BOTHER me. Like I said, you are all the idiots and I am not. Most of the country would agree with me. Don't think you few people are superior.

Yes, there ARE some dangerous horses. We put one down today because it hurt several people. But NO horse does anything to deserve to go to slaughter. PERIOD. This horse had mental problems, something it couldn't help.

[4jpainthorses]

For someone that it doesn't bother, you sure have to come back with a commit on everything. If you think that we are a bunch of rednecks and country hicks, then find somewhere else to play because we are sick of you and your remarks.
I thought you could save everyone of them and now you say that you put one down. So you are really no different, you just controdicted everything that you have been preaching about saving them all.
Well I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but I can say that your elevator doesn't reach the top, more like it fell through the basement floor.

[moodygirl]

Let it be.

[gaitedrocky]

Ok, here we go again. Once again. Horses DO NOT have the ability to love, thinking that way is just so.. disney. They are animals. Animals do not and cannot love. Animals are tame/domesticated. Your horses respond to stimuli around them. Love is not a part of their makeup. They survive. I can almost guarantee that If you were standing holding the lead rope of your horse and if something happened, say a rattle snake got thrown at it. Your horse would react out of instinct and think nothing more of you then an obsticle in his way and either run you over or drag you. And FYI Native Americans did hunt horses, before they were domesticated. Horses were apart of North America at one time. They went extinct on the american continent 10,000 years ago, which was well after the time humans arrived over here about 40,000 years ago. Native Americans. So yes, they did hunt them, just like they hunted the bison. And to say that Bison and Buffalo were not important to them is an outrage. Bison were they're life blood moron and if you studied american history as indepth as you claim to, you would know that!!! Oh and by the way I am Native American, so do contridict that I do not know about my own culture!! Horses were revered by Natives after the whites came and reintroduced them to the american continent, only after they found out how useful they could, other then hunting them but so were the Bison. Didnt you know that it was believed that the Buffalo were thought to be a gift from the great spirit? Wanka-Tanka was the great buffalo spirit that was prayed to ensure a successful hunt and a white buffalo was reverred as the great spirit Wanka-Tanka himself? Did you know that ?And if you knew anything about American History, you would know that horses were used, not family pets, like they are today.

Im tired of you. Take your idiotic craziness elsewhere! You have no idea about what you are talking about and have absolutely nothing to back any of your claims up!

So you see my people came over here across the bering land bridge from Asia 40,000 years ago. Horses were over here up until 10,000 years ago, running wild. A combination of hunting and climate change was thought to cause their extinction of here and it wasnt until 1492 that Christopher Columbo, which was his proper name introduced them back on American soil. He showed the Natives the use of riding them and only then did they start to see the advantage of using horses for hunting and war parties. Your lack of knowledge actually made me laugh and made me realize that you have no idea of what you are freaking talking about

[gaitedrocky]

I found this little article to back up my claim.. since you probably wont believe me. Read and weep KR.. here is the story of the close kinship of the Native Americans with the American Buffalo. And you say the Buffalo wasnt important to us, who's the idiot now!

Many would agree there has been no greater kinship in nature than that which existed between the American Indian and the American buffalo. The Plains Indians revered the buffalo with awe, celebrating their almost mystical bond with the animals through tribal legend, sacred ritual and art. The Indians depended on the buffalo for their basic necessities of life, including food, clothing and shelter.

The buffalo was also very intertwined with the spiritual beliefs of these ancient tribes. In some tribes, warriors performed spiritual dances, calling upon the animal’s strength to assist them in the hunt or in battle with the enemy. Even unto this day, the buffalo plays a prominent role in many sacred legends of the Native Americans.

One of the oldest legends in the history of America’s Native Americans is the Legend of the White Buffalo. For generations, the Lakota Sioux, amongst many others, have passed down the story of the White Buffalo Calf Woman. It is a legend that symbolizes hope, signifies a desire for peace and harmony, and is above all things a cry for balance in the natural world.

[BUDDYSGIRL]

Well numbhead, for one I did not say that they would give free horse meat and I did not say it was being given/sold to starving folks. I SAID, it SHOULD NOT be sold to foreign peoples but to keep it here in the US for the starving folks HERE! Regardless, slaughter should stay here and stay OPEN and not sent out of the country at all. If you trully cared for the horses well being, you would accept the fact that slaughter is necessary and rally to NOT SEND THEM TO FOREIGN SOIL to endure the long, unbareable ride and conditions and end up on some table in another land. Our people are hungry here, they are our property, and should stay ours to do with what we want. YOU or the government should not have a say what we can and cannot do. But most of all the horses need not have to go off our soil.

[Garrett-N-Texas]

Kansas,

Hm-mm.......Where shall I start........

I must admit that you are very tenacious for a "Shithead"!!

Fortunately, in my humble opinion, your bombastic posts do nothing to further your stance on Equine slaughter.

In this debate, your pigheaded approach simply will not work!

If you are ever going to get others to capitulate, you must find common ground (we all love our equine) and build from that foundation.

Your stated opposition to equine slaughter, as opposed to 4J and others being in support of it, is of little consequence when considering the number of equine that are suffering and the underlying causes.

Why must you continually resort to personal attacks?

"When you can't debate the facts, resort to personal attacks"

Is this what honest discussion amongst people of common interest and good will has devolved to?

Is it any wonder that someone wishing to post a view contrary to the vocal minority (YOU) would wish to remain anonymous or completely abstain?

Whether it is in a discussion of slaughter, the cause of this over population, or any other controversial topic, can you please, please keep you emotions in check, leave out the personal attacks, and stick to debating the subject at hand?

[Garrett-N-Texas]

In fear of sounding hypocritical, I feel that there are a few terms that I need to qualify the context of their usage.

"Shithead" - A descriptive noun for a certain type of person, implying ignorance, narrow-mindedness, lack of respect for others with an element of cruelty and/or lack of intelligence. Generally considered to be vulgar and insulting.

"Pigheaded" - Stupidly obstinate. see Obstinate below

"Obstinate" - Stubbornly adhering to an attitude, opinion, or course of action; obdurate.

[gaitedrocky]

Well put Garrett and Buddy's girl. JMO Personal Attacks are just simply results of lack of knowledge. She knows not of what she speaks and in my opinion needs to stick to the subject at hand, not stoop to calling people names like redneck, hillbilly and hick. My mother is fullblooded Cherokee Indian, my father is of German Descent and has come from a long line of hardworking hill folk. We live here in 'Hillbilly' Country and are darn proud of our roots. It's because of us 'Hillbillies' and farmers that you get to eat everyday. Our vegetables, fruits and meat products are what you eat for dinner. We also, and Im proud to admit, partake in eating froglegs and snapping turtle among other types of game. We actually have a snapping turtle currently being cleaned out so that we can butcher it and fry it. It's a common eat, among other wild game in our area, but ya know what? Im proud to say I share a heritage between two important cultures in america, one of which is almost gone, except for a few scattered natives across the U.S and the other one which is still very vibrant but hidden for the most part in the lower parts of the U.S. So yes, I am a Hillbilly and I am proud of my american heritage. So you shouldnt be cutting hill folk down but instead thanking them for your food everyday. It's our Cattle, hogs, chickens and vegetables that go to your table everyday, our hardwork of harvesting crops that we painstakingly plant for your consumption. It is very insulting that you would call us names and condescend us. I love both parts of my heritage, my native side and my hill folk side. Although I do not currently practice my native side, I do and have for years learned as much as I could about my roots and where Ive come from and in doing so have delved deeply into Western American History all together. I have many books on Native cultures as well as Outlaw biographies, guns of the time periods and many others about the american west ranging from 1840- 1898.

But anyway back to horseslaughter, I believe staunchly that it should be a part of our society, simply because it is needed.

[Garrett-N-Texas]

e-me-nv Gaitedrocky!!

Hope you enjoy the fried U-li-na-wi!