What the HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Garrett-N-Texas]

Just think..........If this health care CRAP that the administration is trying to shove down our throats is passed, this is the guy that will decide what care your family receives!!!!

INFORMATION IS POWER!!!!

John Holdren, Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet!!

Here are just a few quotes from his book "Ecoscience"

More information here

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Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.
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One way to carry out this disapproval might be to insist that all illegitimate babies be put up for adoption—especially those born to minors, who generally are not capable of caring properly for a child alone. If a single mother really wished to keep her baby, she might be obliged to go through adoption proceedings and demonstrate her ability to support and care for it. Adoption proceedings probably should remain more difficult for single people than for married couples, in recognition of the relative difficulty of raising children alone. It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.
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Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.
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WHAT THE HELL.........
What Next.............
"They-er coming to take me away he-he ho-ho ha-ha, to the funny-farm where life is good................"

[proudmomma]

Wow. I wouldn't mind being sterilized, but that is NUTS.

[Garrett-N-Texas]

Does this mean what I think it does??

1 SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT
2 COVERAGE.
3 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.

So is this saying that after Y1, if you were not enrolled in a "Private" plan, you are forced to take the Government plan, because it will be illegal for a "Private" insurer to enroll you?

So basically after Y1 all people that need insurance will be required to use the "Big Brother" plan

Y1 = 2013

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf

[westmar]

TEX-----I think it says that, your interpretation is correct----do you realize that certain 'Farmers' have been growing Hybrid crops that supposedly make our veggies and fruits better? Well-just found out that these Farmers have been growing a 'special' CORN that will promote lower Fertility in humans-I have no idea on if it's both men and women. They did this 'experiment' believing they had contained their crops---BUT--OMG---the Damn birds and wild life carried the seed over 30 miles away!!!! -THAT THEY WILL ADMIT TO!!! GO FIGURE!!!! Big Brother has been here and done that! Health Care!
I can find out the program I saw it on-email me.

[westmar]

CZAR-So Republicans have had a few Czars, but jeez----Democrats are taking it to a new level-is that not a RUSSIAN Term??!!!
Russia has only 'pretended' to be our Allies-COMMRAD [i know] ----they slapped Americans in the face a few, NORTH KOREA, CHINA, serve their purpose...Gosh, those are Russia's Allias?
China sends us lead based toys...huh?, when did the U.S. recognize lead was bad for us? MANY YEARS AGO! So- is our our Government trying to make us stupid to control us??????
Back to the term:
WHY DO WE HAVE SO CALLED CZARS???? More than ever! The term is not good!!!
Some Americans picture the 'soldier' with the big friggen tall hat and the double breasted coat comming to take our rights away.....I could be mistaken.....anyway....
All this is in todays terms is blatenly meaning a LOWER LEVEL SECOND GOVERNMENT FOR THE U.S! A BACK UP TO THE MAIN AGENDA!

Might sound 'out there' but look with ones own eyes-see for yourself...be open minded...make your own conclusion.....

I believe we have bigger problems than Equine Slaughter......

[cinch]

I have also heard they will do away with any life saving efforts for the elderly and those with cronic illness. They will just let them die.

Now in some cases I am actually for abortion and sterlization. Some people just should not reproduce. Also, there are way too many young girls and even women breeding for profit. I might actually go for mandatory birth control for unwed girls and women (men and boys too) and those with no income.

[mart]

If anyone watched Fox News today,, one man, during the discussion on Obamas health care plan by his state officials, was told that he would also be fined $2500.if he did not enroll !! He was opposed to the forced enrollment !!

[Garrett-N-Texas]

WHAT A MESS THIS WILL BE!! Take a close look at the chart!!

Thank God there are a few in Congress like John Fleming!

Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same health-care plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple - just first, last and email). I have immediately done just that at: Congressman John Fleming : Home . Please urge as many people as you can to do the same! If Congress forces this on the American people, the Congressmen should have to accept the same level of health care for themselves and their families.

"Together we will work to ensure that any plan that is good enough for American families is good enough for every member of Congress."

View Resolution

If you would like to download a letter of support for House Resolution 615 to send to your representative click here.

To see a list of Representatives who currently support H. Res 615, please click here.

[Garrett-N-Texas]

Written by a Florida Senator, Ed Lynch. Read his fourteen points and draw your own conclusions.

Dear Friend,

As you know, President Obama has been pushing his "Universal healthcare" plan. There have been a lot of people saying many different things about this new healthcare plan. Therefore, I felt the need to do what our congressmen and women have not done and read all of the healthcare plans out there. Let me tell you, as you can imagine, it was not easy reading. I wanted to be able to give you the ammunition (facts) to reply to those that want to know why we oppose the plan.

First, let me state that I do believe that we need to make sure that every LEGAL American citizen has access to the best healthcare system in the world and that it is affordable for everyone. Let me also state that, after reading the bills that are being considered, if the healthcare plan was a good plan, I would let you know that. That being said, the proposals set forth in the house (H.R. 3200)and in the senate are very bad for America for the following reasons:

1. We simply can not afford it. The Congressional Budget Office states that even with higher taxes on high income earners and penalties on employers who don't provide coverage, the plan will fall $239 billion short of covering its' cost of over $1 trillion. That is their best case scenario without the bill being completely scored.

2. It will not cover everyone. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that over 17 million people would remain uninsured AFTER this plan is implemented.

3. You will not be able to shop for or obtain private insurance if you do not have private insurance prior to the bill being passed. This is somewhat clearly stated on pgs. 16 and 17 in section 102(a)(1)(A).

4. After a 5 year grace period, all private insurers that are still in business will be required to offer a "qualified health benefits" plan based on government standards. The problem is whether or not the "government standards" will exclude private insurers. This on page 17, section 102(b)(1)(A).

5. No new policies will be allowed to be written by a private insurer after the public option becomes law. Also page 17.

6. Every five years, the elderly will have to attend a mandatory "advanced care planning consultation" for an "explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end of life services." The consultation will be conducted more frequently if a significant change in health condition; including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life limiting disease, terminal diagnosis, life threatening injury or upon admission to a skilled nursing or long term care facility. In other words, if you are old, you will be consulted about what your options will be if you get sick, if healthcare would not be an option (see #7). This starts on page 425.

7. Page 501 of the bill starts a section that indicates that $1 billion will be spent on "comparative effectiveness research" which is how the government evaluates relative merits of various treatments. In other words, rationing. This is tantamount to the government determining whether or not you are worth getting a particular treatment depending on your prognosis or age. Sec. 1401 Part D

8. This plan would allow for government funded abortions. Since this bill would cover all procedures, abortion is included. There is no exception for abortion.

9. Members of congress and unions would be exempt from this plan and not have to be a part of the healthcare plan. Recently, John Fleming, introduced H.R. 615 that stated that members that vote in favor of a government run healthcare must enroll under the public option. No democrat would sign on. If it is not good enough for congress, it is not good enough for us! This is section 3116.

10. $500 billion will be cut from senior healthcare to help pay for this bill. This will weaken Medicare, an organization already in trouble due to insufficient funds.

11. Hospitals and private healthcare facilities will not be able to collect money from the government plan unless they are "public" facilities.

12. Businesses will be fined over 8% of an employee's salary if they do not provide healthcare insurance for their employees. Sec. 313.

13. Individuals that do not have health insurance will be fined an amount that will encourage them to purchase the government plan. Sec 401 Part VIII Subpart A Sec. 59B.

14. All "people", legal or not, will be covered under this plan and identification cards will be issued. These identification cards will not be based on social security numbers.

These are some of the proven reasons why I could never support a bill like this. These are irrefutable facts, things that our present government does not want our citizens to be aware of, which is why they are trying to pass this bill as quickly as possible. The more we find out about the bill, the worse it gets. As I stated above, we need to reform our healthcare system, but this is not the way. In this case, doing nothing is better than passing this bill. It will hurt seniors, businesses and families.

[Barrelracer]

were all in trouble!